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#11
General Discussion / Back-end for longitudinal feed...
Last post by Nashat1985 - July 02, 2022, 02:32:20 PMDear Experts,
This Nashat Sawai from SESAME synchrotron, it is first time posting here
Currently, we are working on the design and implementing longitudinal feedback for our storage ring, we run a 500 MHZ RF system.
we already have some components for feedback and still missing the other components such as the Backend and cavity kicker, we intend to use the i-Tech Libera bunch-by-bunch processer, does anybody have used Libera electronics for longitudinal feedback ?! what is the typical setup for modulator/backend? should we use DSB or do I need QPSK modulator?
Your comments and feedback are greatly appreciated
regards
Nashat
This Nashat Sawai from SESAME synchrotron, it is first time posting here
Currently, we are working on the design and implementing longitudinal feedback for our storage ring, we run a 500 MHZ RF system.
we already have some components for feedback and still missing the other components such as the Backend and cavity kicker, we intend to use the i-Tech Libera bunch-by-bunch processer, does anybody have used Libera electronics for longitudinal feedback ?! what is the typical setup for modulator/backend? should we use DSB or do I need QPSK modulator?
Your comments and feedback are greatly appreciated
regards
Nashat
#12
General Discussion / Re: Do you have fast magnet (b...
Last post by Benoît Roche - May 16, 2022, 05:25:19 PMThanks a lot for your answer, the links are very interesting.
In fact my question was more about the use of such a magnet not as a kicker to inject or extract beam, but more as a correction magnet or for machine physics studies. We also have kicker magnets for the injection scheme, and in fact the design is very similar to our shaker. For the kickers we also use a core made of the material called 8C11, and to be honest I don't know how it compares to the Magnetic alloy you mention.
In fact my question was more about the use of such a magnet not as a kicker to inject or extract beam, but more as a correction magnet or for machine physics studies. We also have kicker magnets for the injection scheme, and in fact the design is very similar to our shaker. For the kickers we also use a core made of the material called 8C11, and to be honest I don't know how it compares to the Magnetic alloy you mention.
#13
General Discussion / Re: Do you have fast magnet (b...
Last post by Ji-Gwang Hwang - May 12, 2022, 10:14:38 AMMHz-bandwidth magnets are widely used in Hadron machines as well as therapy machines for a fast switching (for machine projection) and a fast kicker magnet. This is also necessary to inject or extract beams to/from a ring. But these kickers are using a ferrite core since this can achieve the field requirement.
M.J. Barnes: https://cds.cern.ch/record/1334789/files/141.pdf
Recent progress in material research, particularly on Magnetic Alloy, allows accessing that bandwidth (a few MHz) for the core, which is used for a magnetic-alloy-loaded cavity.
C. Ohmori: https://journals.aps.org/prab/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevSTAB.16.112002
M.J. Barnes: https://cds.cern.ch/record/1334789/files/141.pdf
Recent progress in material research, particularly on Magnetic Alloy, allows accessing that bandwidth (a few MHz) for the core, which is used for a magnetic-alloy-loaded cavity.
C. Ohmori: https://journals.aps.org/prab/abstract/10.1103/PhysRevSTAB.16.112002
#14
General Discussion / Do you have fast magnet (bandw...
Last post by Benoît Roche - May 10, 2022, 03:15:59 PMAt the ESRF we use what we call "magnetic shakers". It is more or less a special magnet with a high bandwidth (a few MHz). To have such a high bandwidth we need a ceramic vacuum chamber with titanium coating in order to reduce the eddy currents. This is the same kind of vacuum chamber used for the injection kickers. The magnet itself is a coil with just a few loops.
My question to everyone is: do you have a similar device in your ring? If yes, what do you do with it? And how do you call it?
Of course you may have strip-line kickers (for a bunch-by-bunch feedback), which have a much higher bandwidth (of the order of 1 GHz). So you may ask what is the purpose of a fast magnet with a lower bandwidth. The main advantage of this fast magnet (or shaker as we call it) is that it is roughly 10 time more powerful than a strip-line kicker for the same amplifier power in the DC -> few MHz regime.
We use this device mostly for 3 purposes:
I would be happy to know if similar devices exists in other institutes. Thanks
My question to everyone is: do you have a similar device in your ring? If yes, what do you do with it? And how do you call it?
Of course you may have strip-line kickers (for a bunch-by-bunch feedback), which have a much higher bandwidth (of the order of 1 GHz). So you may ask what is the purpose of a fast magnet with a lower bandwidth. The main advantage of this fast magnet (or shaker as we call it) is that it is roughly 10 time more powerful than a strip-line kicker for the same amplifier power in the DC -> few MHz regime.
We use this device mostly for 3 purposes:
- Transverse betatron excitation for tune measurement and beam emittance blow-up (high amplitudes are required for beam dynamics studies),
- Compensate the perturbations induced by the injection kickers during refills,
- Protect the machine when a interlock occurs: before killing the beam, we increase the vertical beam profile as much as possible by resonant betatron excitation to protect the vacuum chamber and collimators from the energy deposition due to electrons hitting these elements.
I would be happy to know if similar devices exists in other institutes. Thanks
#15
Need help? / Re: Strange vertical 50Hz nois...
Last post by Laura - May 09, 2022, 11:26:09 AMGood idea, I will try next week (shutdown)!
#16
Need help? / Re: Strange vertical 50Hz nois...
Last post by Benoît Roche - May 09, 2022, 11:05:19 AMJust an idea: maybe it could be an "impurity" which is in the vaccum chamber between the button and the vaccum chamber a create a non-infinite resistance. Sometimes the impurity creates the short-circut, sometime it does not.
It does not explain everything (why the perturbation is only in the vertical plane? why 50 Hz?), but it is easy to check with only a multimeter (without beam).
It does not explain everything (why the perturbation is only in the vertical plane? why 50 Hz?), but it is easy to check with only a multimeter (without beam).
#17
Need help? / Re: Strange vertical 50Hz nois...
Last post by Laura - May 05, 2022, 11:34:25 AMWell, the step I observe with BPMs is 4 um so I should be able to see it with accelerometers!
Also, sometime it is a jump: it does not go back to the previous location...
I will keep you updated!
Also, sometime it is a jump: it does not go back to the previous location...
I will keep you updated!
#18
Need help? / Re: Strange vertical 50Hz nois...
Last post by Ji-Gwang Hwang - May 05, 2022, 08:35:44 AM Hello Laura,
It is good to hear that you did the test with accelerometers. In general, the sensitivity of the accelerometers (depending on the model and frequency) is an order of magnitude better (less than 100 nm) than the BPMs (~ 1 um). This could explain the discrepancy between the two monitors.
If the vibration amplitude is changing daily (especially more in summer), the cooling system would be the source since the water flow/pressure is variating to fight against the temperature raising in the tunnel or circumstance. But I am not sure whether the cooling water could drive the 50 Hz noise. In my case, the compressor of the chiller was working with that frequency which is equivalent to the frequency of the main powerline in Germany.
Best regards
Ji-Gwang Hwang
It is good to hear that you did the test with accelerometers. In general, the sensitivity of the accelerometers (depending on the model and frequency) is an order of magnitude better (less than 100 nm) than the BPMs (~ 1 um). This could explain the discrepancy between the two monitors.
If the vibration amplitude is changing daily (especially more in summer), the cooling system would be the source since the water flow/pressure is variating to fight against the temperature raising in the tunnel or circumstance. But I am not sure whether the cooling water could drive the 50 Hz noise. In my case, the compressor of the chiller was working with that frequency which is equivalent to the frequency of the main powerline in Germany.
Best regards
Ji-Gwang Hwang
#19
Need help? / Re: Strange vertical 50Hz nois...
Last post by Laura - May 04, 2022, 09:04:04 AMHello Ji-Gwang,
Indeed we also suspect some cooling system but we have not been able to identify it. We put some accelerometers in the tunnel on the block and on the girder and in both case we see this strange frequency but we could not identify the source, moreover the frequency is there either we observe or we do not observe vibrations in the BPM data. As you suggest we can try to do some tests with accelerometers during shutdown switching off each of the element to see if the movement measured with acceleromters stop in some case.
Thanks!
Laura
Indeed we also suspect some cooling system but we have not been able to identify it. We put some accelerometers in the tunnel on the block and on the girder and in both case we see this strange frequency but we could not identify the source, moreover the frequency is there either we observe or we do not observe vibrations in the BPM data. As you suggest we can try to do some tests with accelerometers during shutdown switching off each of the element to see if the movement measured with acceleromters stop in some case.
Thanks!
Laura
#20
Announcements / Open for doctoral student posi...
Last post by Ji-Gwang Hwang - May 03, 2022, 02:38:30 PMWe have recently opened a doctoral student position to work on beam diagnostics/dynamics:
Link: https://recruitingapp-5181.de.umantis.com/Vacancies/1708/Description/2?lang=eng
Feel free to ask any questions.
Ji-Gwang Hwang
Link: https://recruitingapp-5181.de.umantis.com/Vacancies/1708/Description/2?lang=eng
Feel free to ask any questions.
Ji-Gwang Hwang